Is he afraid of the law? Walt refuses and angrily rebukes Saul for even thinking of that. When you have technically worked for an international drug empire, it's just better safe than sorry. Now, if you threaten to pull out, Hamlin would be insane to screw with you. Regardless however, Jimmy is vain, arrogant and selfish. It's a bacterium! However, after the sudden death of Marco, Jimmy was brought back to the fold by Kim, who persuaded Howard to recommend Jimmy for a job as an associate attorney at Davis & Main, HHM's co-counsel on the Sandpiper case, which Jimmy reluctantly accepts. If Saul thinks he should leave, I trust his judgement most of all. Oakley is forced to finalize the plea deal while Saul sits in stunned silence. When Jimmy asked if she had said anything before passing, Chuck lied and said she hadn't; in reality, she had briefly awoken and called for Jimmy, and Jimmy would never know the truth ("Klick"). While in an elevator, she unexpectedly encounters Howard and his associates from HHM. Good! An elderly woman named Marion rides her mobility scooter around a supermarket, shopping for groceries. Brief return to the Saul persona and becoming Jimmy again, after Heisenberg's real identity is finally exposed, having previously been convinced by Kim to trust Saul as a lawyer, Lalo's promise that he will be back for answers, Characters from Breaking Bad in Better Call Saul, A large number of clients as a public defender at the courthouse, including three teenagers, Jimmy's nickname Saul Goodman, as well as his role as a problem fixing lawyer, is a play on the phrase "It's all good, man", pronounced in the vernacular "S'all good, man". Saul replies that his biggest regret is an experience from his youth in which he hurt his leg in a slip-and-fall. Regardless, Jimmy openly blames solely Howard for Chuck's death despite his own involvement, showing that he is unwilling to confront his own guilt. Saul, wearing a flashy suit, enters a courtroom for his sentencing hearing; Oakley, Marie, and Kim, sitting in the back row, are also in attendance. How to react to a students panic attack in an oral exam? I won't allow him to endanger our business! It comes down to this In order to understand what I was thinking, you need to see Chuck through my eyes. Following Kim's departure, Jimmy began to fully embrace his criminal Saul Goodman persona as a coping mechanism, fully immersing himself in his work and criminal activity. Saul Goodman flees the house with his true identity finally exposed. He offered me money. You were never gonna get it. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I'm not deaf! Here we go! He travels back to Cicero and reconnects with Marco. Mike tells him he's not allowed to know this information, but still reveals that Lalo will be assassinated that night. Jimmy goes to Mike's house to question him about who he works for and about the situation with Lalo. The Better Call Saul finale sees Saul Goodman, a.k.a. To his horror, however, Jimmy watches as Chuck has another spell, passing out and cracking his skull on the counter in the process. Angrily, Jimmy takes the phone and breaks protocol but manages to set up a meeting. When Howard confronted Jimmy and Kim over their plot, Jimmy, despite having no remorse for the scam, claimed that Howard would still "land on his feet", and was angry when Howard called the pair sociopaths, exemplifying his ignorance over his true nature. Taking what he feels is the initiative, Jimmy compiles a video crew comprised of UNM students to film and air his own commercial advertising the Sandpiper suit. I'll still try to be the best man that I can be. He's a lawyer, he can defend himself very well at court. Jimmy is intrigued, but advises Kim to hang on to her new client, Mesa Verde Bank and Trust, knowing that HHM will attempt to keep them as soon as they realize Kim is resigning. When Chuck approaches the pair, he answers Kim's questions on case law, but is annoyed by Jimmy. When Jesse refuses, Saul has Huell pickpocket it from Jesse. Lalo gives Jimmy instructions on where to collect the money, but Jimmy refuses until Lalo agrees to pay him $100,000 in exchange. You can't conceive of what I'm capable of! Alone.Jimmy condemning his brother. Saul then prods Jesse to check on them himself. You would pull the plug on the scam, and thenand then, we'd break up. JimmyYou'dyou'd blame yourself. Jimmy heads to the Forque Kitchen and Bar for dinner with Kim, where she tells him that she has been hired at the head of Schweikart & Cokely's banking division. In Coushatta, Jimmy posts the messages and then gets on the bus back home. ("Fall"), Jimmy, feeling partly responsible for Kim's exhaustion and resulting car accident, finally agrees to break their office lease and have Kim work out of her own home to save costs. Jimmy leaves to phone Howard and reassure him that Chuck will not be quitting HHM, not seeing the tape recorder Chuck has concealed under a stack of foil. And whatSo you can just wimp out?! I mean, they'll smile at you, they'll pat you on the head but they are never ever letting you in. ("Full Measure"), Following Gale Boetticher's murder, Walt and Jesse are taken to the superlab and held there by Mike and Victor until Gus Fring arrives to deal with the situation. It's kind of obvious why Saul had to leave. When she was hospitalized, the brothers sat for three days at her bedside. Later, Jimmy takes deliver of a new set of phones at Day Spa and Nail, and has to bribe Mrs. Nguyen with one so he can keep them in the back room. Jesse reports that he was able to find all the precursor chemicals except for methylamine. ("Rebecca"). Us working together? However, opening the door would trigger an alarm and alert the police, who could potentially recognize him. And this time, it'll be too much. He is shown to be willing to resort to whatever measures necessary in order to gain clients and to ensure that his clients, who are complete criminals, avoid arrest such as manipulating police, fabricating evidence and even stealing from his clients for blackmail purposes. Jimmy denies it but accidentally uses Lalo's real name. Better Call Saul is available to watch in full on AMC+ now. But if you're being honestI mean, well, really honest, you'll recall that you also had an underdeveloped nineteen-year-old brain. On a later date, Walt slumps in a chair at Saul's office while Saul handles the fallout from his client's "little joy ride" (racing around recklessly, doing doughnuts with, and ultimately setting on fire the Dodge Challenger Skyler made him return). Jimmy tracks down Craig and Betsy Kettleman and persuades them to return home, but accepts a $30,000 payment from them as both a "retainer" and a bribe for keeping quiet about their stolen money. You didn't get it. Kim tearfully tells Jimmy that she just cant be with him anymore due to the amount of turmoil that has happened. Afterwards, while he and Kim celebrate, Rebecca asks Jimmy to help with Chuck, who has shuttered himself in his home, but Jimmy refuses, no longer calling Chuck his brother. You're a star! By 2008, Saul has developed a widely known reputation as a criminal lawyer, who successfully helped Emilio avoid criminal charges on two different occasions, causing Jesse to think Kim was right about him being an effective lawyer. Now, those two jokers out in the hallway? Oakley doubts he can mount a successful defense against the evidence that the district attorney and the government have gathered against Saul. Saul remains unaware of Gus' true identity, only knowing him as a major drug kingpin and distributor who is extremely competent and careful, only meeting Gus once previously though being unaware that he was a drug kingpin. Jimmy goes to HHM to collect the $5,000 inheritance. All the lights worked. However, he is stunned to learn that Kim has already disclosed the truth of Howard's murder, meaning that he has no more leverage in the negotiations. ("Waterworks"). Rename .gz files according to names in separate txt-file, Is email scraping still a thing for spammers. I was just gonnaI was gonna try to move you all with my brother's eloquent words. His money laundering efforts would very likely be found out which would place him in a conspiracy. Does that sound good?Jimmy, confronted by Air Force Captain Bauer over his TV commercial. We know Gene is after BB because the call to the vacuum cleaner shop referenced the previous change of identity. Despite his hatred of Howard and the likelihood they can pull such as scam off, Jimmy advocates against it out of concern for both Howard and Kim, and is shown to be visibly shocked that Kim is dead serious about doing it, a similar occurrence to his own behavior at the end of Season 4. A desperate Jimmy begged Chuck to use his knowledge of the law to make the charges disappear. He begins producing his own personal ad, enlisting the aid of his former college video crew and some of his elder clients. After one of Walt and Jesse's dealers, Jesse's friend Christian "Combo" Ortega, is murdered by an eleven-year old boy under orders from rival dealers from a rival gang, Saul proposes new distribution method for Walt and Jesse's product. NippyGene to Nick and Frank about the events during the "Mabel" teaser. rev2023.3.1.43269. No friends. Continuing to embrace his alter ego of Saul completely, he is first seen waking up with a prostitute in his bed, which he promptly dismisses, and spends a majority of the morning debating with a contact regarding a potential client who is accused of public masturbation, before going to his law firm. Following their meeting, Walt rendezvous with Saul, who relays information from Jesse about Gus' visits to Hector Salamanca. So please get back in your truck, go back to the house, and finish the job!Gene's rant to Buddy over not going through with scamming a mark due to their illness, showing Gene's transformation from a scared Cinnabon manager to a dirty, unapologetic criminal. In order to protect Kim from being prosecuted by Howard's widow, Saul confessed to everything at his hearing. Call me now!Jimmy's first transformation into Saul Goodman in a TV ad. Jimmy then decided to practice law under this name, believing the McGill name was buried and not wanting to be seen as "Chuck's loser brother". In the garbage room, the door (only being able to open from the outside) shuts, locking Gene inside while he throws the garbage in the dumpster. There's also the car wash he's buying with Skyler, who naively thinks Walt can walk away after his contract with Gus expires. Greg Lewis/AMC Unlike Walter White, he doesn't find a way to have his fate and cheat it too.. When they refuse the cash, Kim coerces them by threatening to reveal their shady tax return scam to the IRS. saying indecent exposure, calling me a sex offender. Jimmy tries to convince Howard to accept the settlement, but Howard sees through Jimmy's motivations and refuses. ("American Greed: James McGill"). In order to deal with the danger of Jeff, Gene reverts back into his old "Slippin' Jimmy" persona once again, conning Jeff's mother Marion and helping Jeff get into the criminal lifestyle which he recognizes is what Jeff truly desires. Wasn't there a lawyer-client confidentiality between all of his interactions with Heisenberg & co. protecting him? By Breaking Bad, Jimmy McGill is no more and Saul Goodman is all that remains. Further hints of trouble await Jimmy at his office upon his return: Captain Bauer from the airbase has learned of Jimmy's ad and is furious. James Morgan "Jimmy" McGill, better known by his professional alias and business moniker Saul Goodman, is an Irish-American criminal defense lawyer, scam artist, and convicted criminal who is serving an 86-year sentence at ADX Montrose. Judge Munsinger demands the case be settled without a circus. I still don't understand why Saul had to go in hiding. As Saul, Jimmy begins performing illicit schemes to get his way without a second thought and scamming others along the way, notably by his defense of Everett Acker against Mesa Verde. While at the hospital, Gene grows nervous at the sight of police officers nearby and his heart rate increases but is visited by a doctor who confirms that it wasn't a heart attack and aside from a slightly elevated blood pressure, everything came back as normal. ("Pimento") Jimmy accepts HHM's previous deal and hands over the Sandpiper case, apologizing to Howard and giving him the responsibility for caring for Chuck. Kim berates Lalo for his lack of trust, in both Jimmy and his own people and Lalo leaves, apparently satisfied. He originally worked as a mailroom clerk at Hamlin, Hamlin & McGill (HHM) alongside Kim. For nothing! Sure, the Feds are a concern and he would definitely be facing lots of charges (especially considering he's one of the last ones alive that can actually face charges) but I think it's more so about the criminals. It'd take him three hours. Jimmy initially used it as an alias while performing scams alongside his close friend Marco Pasternak, and later makes use of it as the alternate identity for the high-energy pitchman in television ads he produced with his film crew at Saul Goodman Productions, and when he began a business reselling prepaid cell phones on the street. Jimmy and Kim work with Huell and Huell's associate to copy Howard's car key and remote unlock button. Hi. Sorry thank you.Jimmy talking about Chuck in court. To subscribe to this RSS feed, copy and paste this URL into your RSS reader. Despite Jimmy and Kim's unconditional love for each other, Kim left him and Albuquerque after one of their schemes goes horribly wrong, stating that they are bad for everyone around them, with the couple divorcing later that year. I was more than a willing participant, I was indispensable. Later, when Jesse notices that it's gone, he assumes that Huell must have lifted it from him and that Huell also took the ricin cigarette. Kim surveils Cliff Main and Howard Hamlin at the golf course while Jimmy sneaks into the locker room to plant a bag resembling cocaine in Howard's locker. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Breathing heavily, Gene has a taxi take him back to the mall and spots an air freshener marked Albuquerque Isotopes in the rear-view mirror and the taxi driver appears to be staring at him as if he recognizes him. the time when our story of Jimmy McGill-turned-Saul Goodman-turned-Gene Takavic finally comes to a conclusion. So, I think I can convince a judge and probably a jury that Mesa Verde misappropriated Ms. Bitsui's intellectual property. The neo-Nazis would have been a minor threat, if a threat at all - They have $69 million, they are holding Jesse hostage to make meth for them and they have killed two federal agents. That night, I saw opportunity. Change color of a paragraph containing aligned equations. ("Switch"), Jimmy adjusts quickly to his new status and perks at D&M, including a private office (with a cocobolo desk), company car, and personal assistant named Omar. You asshole! Lydia and Jack's gang were in business, people were getting killed, Mike was gone, Hank was an inch away from busting Walt's whole enterprise, Huell, Francesca and Kuby were cooperating Saul had to get out of town. Are you happy now?! As a result, Gene falls back into being "Slippin' Jimmy" full time to make money with the help of Jeff and Buddy, successfully orchestrating a scam against multiple people over a long period of time, with Gene becoming a dirty, unapologetic criminal who has nothing to lose. Hi. At the same time, after Lalo gets arrested for the murder of Fred Whalen, Jimmy is called in to represent him. You rub their noses in it! This triggers a sudden and acidic tirade from Chuck as he vents all of his frustrations about Jimmy and how he never should have tried to help him. I can't believe there's like over a billion people on this planet, and the only person I have to talk about this to is you.Jimmy, You go to hell, you lying sack of shit.Kevin, They moved a cone? Jesse calls Walt, who doesn't answer, then listens to increasingly frantic messages on his own voicemail from Saul. ("Gliding Over All"), Months later, Jesse visits Saul's office with the two bags of $5 million in cash - his pay for selling his share of the methylamine - given to him by Walt. Gus watches through the surveillance monitors at the Ryman residence while Mike questions Kim. Is it the cops? The call ends with Gene slamming the phone down on the receiver and kicking in one of the glass panels of the phone booth. After wishing farewell to Marco, Jimmy moved to Albuquerque. Jimmy learns HHM is going through a bad spell and admonishes Howard for wallowing and not fighting. Seeing his old colleagues talking about the recent changes only serve to fuel the dilemma. Kim laughs at Howard and says she is insulted by the notion that she cannot decide for herself. Eventually, Jimmy decides to follow her advice, and returns to Davis & Main to accept their job offer. He has a ton of connections to the cartel, various other criminals, and now a spotlight of visibility on him. () If I died tonight, my landlord would pack up my stuff. Despite this, Jimmy felt enough remorse to repair his mistake with his client by purposefully exposing his actions in a way that repaired the woman's friendships and presumably destroyed all of his own credibility with his clients in the process. Jimmy later attempts to bribe Craig and Betsy Kettleman into remaining silent about their role in smearing Howard. Saul Goodman's law firm caters to felons who want to reduce their sentences to the bare minimum, essentially giving them some form of "free pass" when it comes to crime. I'll tell you one thing: you've got the right product. You know what? I'm gonna come back. Although Howard figured out early that Jimmy and Kim were behind the elaborate plot, other people who know Jimmy, such as Clifford Main and Richard Schweikart (who are both aware of Jimmy's less-than-honest lifestyle and cons), can't believe that he would do such thing and truly believe that Howard simply is a drug addict or, at the very least, delusional. All those crimes he committed they never found out about. Go on.Saul to Getz, Oh, thank God! He is finally shown to be resourceful about the deaths of Chuck and Howard, referring to Chuck's death as a crime. Of course, we aren't exactly sure when the Gene timeline takes place and how much he knows about Jesse and Walt. To his shock and disgust, he learns that Kim has also come under fire at HHM for allegedly approving of the tape, but in truth, for her association with him. Oh, Christ! More so than Jessie Pinkman. At Chuck's house, Jimmy sees a copy of the Albuquerque Journal he hid from Chuck, which included an article about the billboard stunt on the front page. Ooh big job at the illustrious HHM. We'll be seeing a lot of each other. At one point, Saul says, "Victims' families would be great, but I'll take anyone on the ground who suffered emotionally." Jeff drives Alfred to his home, a large house in an affluent neighborhood. Wow. When AMC . Everyone was dead or out of the picture, Saul's lawyer and Skyler were still around, but anything they would say would incriminate themselves, plus it's all hearsay. Mike sits them down and tells them what is going to happen next: Howard's car is going to be driven several states away and abandoned next to the ocean, staged as a suicide; since the car was likely seen at the apartment before his disappearance, Jimmy and Kim are to tell the police that he showed up in a drug-addled stupor and left uneventfully. If Walt doesn't return within 24 hours, Saul is to deliver all of Walt's money to Skyler ("Shotgun"). Actually, it's getting arrested that makes people look guilty, even the innocent ones, and innocent people get arrested every day. The two eventually make their way to a truck stop where Victor and Tyrus Kitt pick up Jimmy and Mike. Meanwhile, Jimmy procures an old dentist's office for renovation into the joint venture. Jimmy finally drinks his own urine as Mike had earlier attempted to get him to do and begins walking down the road with Mike back to civilization, the threat to them now gone. Howard retorts with a "fuck you," and Jimmy tells him to use that rage to his advantage. And you know whose number? You're gonna do whatever it takes, do you hear me? Yeah, you do. As they pay their respects, Cheryl firmly asks them if what Howard has been saying before he died is the truth, that Jimmy and Kim have been harassing him and making him look foolish. Saul Goodman while not a violently dangerous man, would have been at least internally to the feds, the most wanted man in America after Heisenberg died. Kim abandons her plan to meet in Santa Fe with Cliff Main and representatives of a foundation interested in funding her pro bono criminal defense work and returns to Albuquerque to help Jimmy hastily re-shoot the photos. This would have been found out and he could have faced serious jail time. Me! I'm calling right now.Valerie, You are not going to negotiate with this man. That tape? Watching helplessly as the kid is pulled out and arrested, Gene's old instincts flare up and he suddenly shouts at the boy to say nothing and hire a lawyer. I mean, they're not gonna give it to you, so what? It's a habit, right? Jeff confronts Gene outside his house, knowing he did this to get to him. Exactly. Saul is extradited back to Albuquerque and held at the Metropolitan Detention Center. Before this, Jimmy was a low-level reprobate in his home town of Cicero with no serious ambitions or direction in life, wasting away his days with debauchery, bar tricks and small-time scams with his buddy Marco. He stuffs Jesse's meth money in a duffel bag for him. You You have a wife, right, Frank? Oh, is this it? Ira tells him to contact him again using a new phone if he has another job. While hosting a bingo game at a nursing home, Jimmy suffers an emotional breakdown and recollects the "Chicago Sunroof" incident before walking away in disgust. Mostly, he proves his brother's mental illness in court in order to get off easy following being arrested and charged as a result of Chuck's actions, even through he was truly guilty in the manner. So, Saul Good man was rather foolish when he decided to flee. Chuck, who had become a successful lawyer in Albuquerque, New Mexico, visited Jimmy in jail at the request of their mother. And you will die there. 'Cause this is my screw-up. You want perspective? You're gonna be smart, you are gonna cut corners and you are gonna win. Realizing Nacho is very likely intending violence against Craig and Betsy Kettleman, Jimmy attempts to warn the family. After a whole week, Jimmy says that he has to return to his clients, but Marco insists that they do one last scam together. We've delivered to you before, haven't we? Mike turns him down and offers condolences over Chuck's death. Ju You know what, just say so! Outside, Jeff picks up Alfred in his cab, leaving Gene behind. ("Coushatta"), In Lubbock, Texas, Jimmy and Kim work a scam on the Department of Building Safety that results in them tricking the state into giving Mesa Verde a larger branch. Around this time there was also a documentary released about Saul, which discussed his connections to Walter White and the Cartel. It's not your fault, sins of the father. Because I was having too much fun. Nervously looking at some nearby cops, Gene does his "Better Call Saul" catchphrase and Jeff introduces himself and states that if Gene ever needs a ride, to call the cab company and ask for him. Jimmy's plan works perfectlyChuck and HHM are caught in a massive clerical fiasco at the hearing, and Mesa Verde returns to Kim. It's the least you can do for me now!Jimmy confronting Chuck. () You have no idea what's going on! Eager to prevent her from becoming Lalo's hostage, Jimmy suggests that Kim be sent to perform the task, over her horrified objections. After months of hiding in Omaha, buried under a thick mustache and thicker glasses, Gene dips his toe back into the grifter life after being recognized by dim-witted taxi driver Jeff (Don Harvey . Saul suggests Walt 'put Jesse out to pasture' but Walt rules this out immediately, telling Saul to never hand out this idea again ("Rabid Dog"), The next day, Saul meets Walt at the car wash. Jimmy lies to Kim about his experiences and directs her to the money, but she discovers the truth after finding his coffee mug in the bag with a bullet hole through it. When Jesse arrives, he is aggressively patted down by Saul's bodyguard, Huell, until Saul interrupts. Huell asks Jimmy why legitimate lawyers would commit crimes and Jimmy makes an unconvincing argument about committing a wrong to accomplish a greater good. However, when faced with Marie Schrader and the impact that his crimes have had on others, particularly Kim, he throws away both Saul Goodman and Gene forever to become Jimmy McGill again and to own up to his crimes, even though it essentially means spending the rest of his life in prison. Returning her call by payphone, Saul lies and assures her Walt is fine. When Jimmy answers yes, she says they will start with that. And I would like to be a small and silent part of it. There was no one who wanted him dead, he'd made plenty of money from Walt that he could have stashed away and his was largely immune from prosecution thanks to attorney-client privilege. Saul tells Hank and Gomez that their ongoing surveillance of Mike is tantamount to stalking, and that he's filed for a Temporary Restraining Order with a sympathetic judge. Meanwhile, Jeff gives Alfred a bottled water spiked with barbiturates and sends a signal to Buddy to begin the next phase of the scam. Kim is hesitant at first, but upon overhearing Howard contacting Mesa Verde after delivering her resignation letter, quickly takes steps to retain Mesa Verde's services for herself. After settling in to watch TV, Gene receives a call on his old earphone from a frantic Jeff. Despite his flamboyant appearance and mannerisms, Saul was a highly competent lawyer who was able to solve problems and find loopholes in order to protect his clients. She absolutely kept her mouth shut. However by the fourth season of Better Call Saul, Jimmy is shown to be even more cruel and non-caring as he shows barely any remorse for his older brother's tragic suicide, despite the fact that he is partly responsible and happily allows Howard to feel all the guilt over the situation; in a way following his brother's advice to no longer feel remorse for his actions and embrace who he is. I will show you the game. And of course there is the possibility of Lalo coming after him. ("Breaking Bad"). Conversely, Jimmy's involvement with Lalo Salamanca shows that he is still capable of fear for his own life and the lives of those he cares about (namely Kim), and even helps to kill a gang member while stranded in the desert with Mike in order to ensure he makes it back to Kim and to deliver Lalo's bail money to protect her. And Cinnabon would just hire a new manager. He enlists the Lindholm brothers in an attempt to win back Craig and Betsy Kettleman. Handing them a written address and a map, he tells the couple that he wants Jimmy to take Lalo's station wagon to the address, use a revolver in the car's glove compartment to shoot the occupant when he answers the door, and take a photo of the body. Howard defeats him and says he hopes this ends Jimmy's harassment, but afterwards Howard directs his private investigator to begin surveilling Jimmy. They later drive to a car wash where Walt worked for four years. That's why I'm here! Convinced no one is looking for him, Gene returns to work. That's a bit of a reach, don't you think, Dave? Kim tells Gus that Lalo had originally wanted to send Jimmy to kill him, but that Jimmy had talked Lalo out of it by sending her on the mission instead. Ed states that the pickup will be in the same place he got dropped off on Thursday at 7:00am and Gene remembers the location. You tell me or I'll burn this whole goddamn house to the ground!Jimmy confronting Chuck over the cassette tape. Saul is at a loss, and scolds him for not having a "self-destruct" mechanism like the Starship Enterprise. Any trouble you might have: that's on you. However, Jimmy senses that it will not work and tells a story about how Chuck influenced him to become a lawyer. Not really necessary. In the garage, he asks Jeff to take the night shift at the cab company and to acquire barbiturates. James McGill, representing himself in court after finally getting caught by the authorities, leading to here's Saul's courtroom testimony and arc completion. Because once the feds start of investigate Walt/Heisenberg for his crimes the feds are going to realize that Saul was Heisenberg's silent partner, Saul would be arrested for assisting in laundering drug money. Is there any proof the confession was destroyed? They dangle these things in front of you, they tell you you got a chance but, I'm sorry, it's a lie. (And it's doubtful that Saul had all the information.). Everyone was dead or out of the picture, Saul's lawyer and Skyler were still around, but anything they would say would incriminate themselves, plus it's all hearsay.

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